Aidan Noone (00:00):
A new year and a new goal. What do you want to achieve for 2022? How do you go about achieving that? Listen as a sample of EAPH hypnotherapists impart their knowledge and experience that enables you to immediately implement and reap the benefits and implement strategies that work for you, all on today’s podcast.

Aidan Noone (00:25):
Welcome to the professional hypnotherapists podcast, a production of the European association of professional hypnotherapists. That’s EAPH.ie. Welcome to this edition of the professional hypnotherapists podcast, today’s edition is focusing on a sample of the hypnotherapist members of the EAPH. So we’ll start and let them introduce themselves. We’ll start with Helen, go ahead, Helen. Introduce yourself, please.

Helen Ryle (01:14):
My name is Helen, Helen Ryle. I’m the chairperson at the moment of the EAPH and the tips that I would give would be to think about why you want to do something. So if you’re thinking about making any change, whether it’s a new year’s resolution or not, to think about why you want to do it, what are the positive benefits of it? So, what is the feeling that you want to get? So for instance, if you want to lose weight, okay, it’s important to, you know, we want to look nicer and feel slimmer and that, but

Aidan Noone (01:48):
Helen, can we come back to that in a moment? I just want to let everybody introduce themselves, but, okay. Thank you so, so much anyway. We now go to Tracy. Tracy, please introduce yourself.

Teresa Bolger (02:00):
Hi, I’m Tracy or Teresa Bolger you’re when I’m at work. So I I’m a clinical hypnotherapist based in Athlone in county Westmeath, and I would work with people on a number of things, but smoke cessation is my area of passion. So I’d be probably talking about that quite a bit today.

Aidan Noone (02:16):
Great. Thank you very much, Tracy. Pamela, go ahead.

Pamela Walsh (02:21):
Hi, I’m Pamela Walsh and I’m a Hypnotherapist based in South Tipperary. And what I love to do is Hypnobirthing, although I do plenty of other work with clients that isn’t but that is an area that I do love.

Aidan Noone (02:42):
Great. That that’s wonderful. Thank you very much, Pamela. And we’ll go to Ian. Go ahead, Ian.

Ian Epstein (02:48):
Hi, I’m Ian Epstein. I’m vice chairperson of the EAPH. I’ve been a therapist for 22 years dealing with all therapies and I just enjoy helping people as much as they want to be helped.

Aidan Noone (03:00):
Great. Thank you very much for that. And last, but certainly not least is Susan, go ahead, Susan.

Susan McElligott (03:11):
Hi, I’m Susan McElligott. I’m based in Cork and I’m a hypnotherapist and psychotherapist, and I love working with children. And I deal a lot with trauma, post traumatic stress anything really to do with the mind, any emotional problems. So basically that’s it.

Aidan Noone (03:31):
That’s it. Great. Thank you so very much, Susan, as this is the last episode of the EAPH before 2022 we thought it perhaps it would be beneficial if, as a group of hypnotherapists, we would talk about new year’s goals and resolutions, et cetera. And so that’s the purpose of this podcast. So let’s begin. I’ll introduce myself. My name is a Aidan Noone, and I’m hosting this podcast and we’ll go to Helen for her input tonight, Helen, new year’s resolutions.

Helen Ryle (04:13):
I think that a lot of people tend to make the same resolutions over and over again. So, you know, the same stone of weight is attempted to be got rid of every year, but unless you’ve got a proper plan in place and you know the reason why you want to make the change, then really it’s not going to hold. You’re not going to be able to maintain it.

Helen Ryle (04:33):
So when I’m working with clients, whether it’s for new year’s resolution or any goal, you know, any project really, I try to help them to think of why they want to get to where they want to go. So, what’s the feeling that they want to have when they get there. So it’s solution focused, it’s positive. It’s drawing them towards the result they want to have. And then really to make a plan, so maybe get a journal or a notebook and really write down the steps they want to take to get there, break it down into small steps.

Helen Ryle (05:08):
And then it’s much easier then to do things step by step. So rather than saying, okay, I want to lose two stone by next month. You know, realistically, you might intend to be able to lose maybe two pounds maximum in a week. So each week how much am I going to be able to lose and then to maintain it. So really making a plan and thinking why, why it is I want to get there, what it is about that particular goal, that’s really drawing me towards it and how I’m going to feel.

Aidan Noone (05:42):
So, what comes to mind is you may have heard of a guy called an author called Scott Adams. He was the creator of Dilbert . Andin a book he has written, how to fail at almost everything and still win big. And in it, he says, and it’s something that struck me and stays with me is that goals are for losers and yet systems are for winners. You know? So we’ll talk about, maybe I’ll develop that later, but anyone like to jump in now and tell us exactly what, what your take is on new year’s resolutions. Ian, go ahead.

Ian Epstein (06:25):
I think people have time over Christmas to start thinking now, maybe I’ll do this, or maybe I’ll do that. I think the better plan as what Helen said, there is to put down a on paper, what you would like your goals to be, and then take them one at a time. When you take them one at a time, you have a better way of looking at things. Because if you take on too many things at once, it’s just not gonna happen. So take your time. Think what you’d like to do first and then set out your goal to do it.

Aidan Noone (07:00):
Yeah. So that’s a good way of, of breaking the goal down into small steps. Isn’t it? I suppose. Yeah. Okay. Susan,

Susan McElligott (07:11):
Yes. I agree there with the comments from Ian and Helen, and I think it’s important to have a system in place some kind of a structure as well, because goals are the ideal, you know, that nice vision that we have in our mind of the way we want to be. But it’s like having a map, I suppose, or if you’re going on a journey you need, you know, to follow the, the route and the roadmap. So I think we all need some kind of a roadmap in our heads, in our minds anyway, having the vision is one thing I would like to lose weight, give up smoking, whatever. But I personally think that the how to, you know, or having the structure. And I think very often people have the incorrect programming, incorrect for them. That’s not working for them because this is why they, they might fail.

Susan McElligott (07:59):
Because they’re trying to use that same programming, you know, same kind of thinking over and over and trying to expect in different results. So it’s a case of I suppose, looking at how the structure, again, structure of your thoughts and structure of a plan for that goal, you know, that new year resolution. So yeah, it’s almost like going back to basics again and yeah. Or installing new software, having a new app on your phone or something to make it easy.

Susan McElligott (08:31):
And I think that’s where we come in as, as Hypnotherapists that where we come in with our skills as hypnotherapists, we all have something to offer and all of us, as, you know, as an association, we we’ve all got our unique skills and our unique approaches, even though we’ve all been trained, kind of the same kind of path. We have little nuances that we could use and cater for different kinds of people, different kinds of approaches.

Aidan Noone (09:05):
Excellent. So it’s, again, it’s probably coming around to what I was saying a moment ago, but the systems creating the systems there, not only having your goals, the, but having the systems, the support network there to support the goal. As a hypnobirthing expert Pamela, what’s your take on this?

Pamela Walsh (09:25):
I feel with anything that you want to do in, be it the new year or resolution or goal or plan, I think consistency is key, and being honest with yourself to know that it is going to take time and effort on your part, but it doesn’t have to be doing everything at once. It just has to be 1% effort every day. And what I find is a good way to look at it is if you get to do five minutes of exercise, it’s better than nothing. Instead of saying, I haven’t done this and I haven’t done that well, whatever you have done focus on what you have done and what you can achieve. And that 1%, and that consistency will give you the results over time.

Pamela Walsh (10:14):
And, you know, not to be to hard on yourself either as everybody would like the magic wand, but being honest with yourself, looking at the plan or what your ideal outcome would be connecting with the feeling of that. And, you know, as I said, the 1% every day can, can add up to huge differences over a period of time.

Aidan Noone (10:41):
And as the stop smoking expert amongst us Tracy why do goals? Why do people fail at their goals? And when say that I’m more specifically talking about people who want to be non-smokers. Or do they fail?

Teresa Bolger (11:02):
They fail a lot. And I can attest to that as somebody who for new year’s day for years was going to be a non-smoker. And I probably got to about 11 o’clock in the morning before I had a cigarette in my mouth. So the UK’s Royals society of public health found that only 4% of people succeed in stopping smoking as a new year’s resolution, without any help, any aid at all, just digging the heels in and trying to not smoke. And that sounds all very doom and gloom and miserable. And what’s even the point in trying. But I have come to learn through my own personal experience and from my clients as well, that the key is to echo what everyone else was saying about preparing and planning. You know, that old adage, if you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. Isn’t that how it goes?

Teresa Bolger (11:55):
So if you don’t do anything, if a smoker wakes up on new year’s day and they think about, and they feel about, and they see cigarettes in the exact same way as they saw them on the 31st of December, there is very little chance that they’re going to take them out of their life forever. What has changed? So I always encourage people long before they put out their last cigarette to change their language, you know, talk to themselves about their smoking. So for example, if I got up on you year’s day and told myself as a smoker, that’s it. Now you can’t smoke anymore. You’re not allowed you can’t do it. You’re never allowed to have a cigarette again, there is an instant kickback. Yeah. In your mind, you, you automatically kick back against that. So I tell everybody, you are an adult.

Teresa Bolger (12:52):
You are allowed to smoke as much as you want and tell yourself that. And they’re not often prepared to hear that they find it very shocking coming from a smoke cessation therrapist, smoke as many cigarettes as you want. Never tell yourself you’re not allowed, but when you’re here for a reason, you want to be a non-smoker, you know, at your core. So just changing, changing up how you think, how you, how you see cigarettes before you attempt to get rid of them, gives you a much better chance of succeeding and taking them out of your life. So things like creating lists beforehand, why do you want to be smoke free? Instead of thinking to yourself, January 1st is coming and I’m not allowed cigarettes anymore. January 1st is coming. I’m about to get rid of this thing that’s bothering me. And here are all the reasons it bothers me.

Teresa Bolger (13:43):
Here’s all the things I’m looking forward to when they’re gone, how I’ll feel better, look better, smell, better, have more energy, have more money. And suddenly the focus has turned to all these benefits coming towards you. Instead of a sense of I’m not allowed, I can’t have, because that’s a bloody miserable existence. Isn’t it really? So that’s my take on it. Change how you talk about it and how you think about it before you attempt to get rid of it.

Aidan Noone (14:10):
So perspective is important.

New Speaker (14:12):
Oh yes, absolutely. Yeah.

Aidan Noone (14:14):
And would you agree with that Helen?

Helen Ryle (14:18):
Definitely. Yeah. And, and also I think a huge aid in this process is hypnosis or self-hypnosis, or listening to maybe an audio download because in the process of changing how you talk to yourself and how you think about the thing you want to change, you can also visualize or imagine vividly yourself having made or actually making those changes and then being successful. So, absolutely. Yeah. I know that hypnosis has a very high or very good rate, doesn’t it Tracy of helping people to stop smoking?

Teresa Bolger (14:52):
Yes. It’s, it’s in it, it surpasses, I’m not sure the figure, but it vastly surpasses stuff like nicotine replacement patches and that, I should know shouldn’t I, but it’s got, I think it’s an 80% success rate. I’m not sure that’s my candid and honest answer. I know my clients get on just super, so, yeah.

Helen Ryle (15:12):
Because I think the positive reinforcement of self hypnosis or listening to a short Hypnosis download is very, very helpful. They do keep people on track with the changes they want to make.

New Speaker (15:25):
See, seeing those benefits in the mind, in their mind’s eye. Yeah. You know, instead it’s, again, it’s about changing from that losing out attitude to envisioning all the good stuff.

Pamela Walsh (15:38):
Yeah. Yeah. Like you say, adding on the good things instead of taking away. I think Susan mentioned that earlier as well. Yeah. Focusing on the positives, huge. And even for therapy, you know, some people may have neglected their mental health or not made that priority and maybe going and reaching out, having that therapy session, you know, seeing, does it suit you, is it something that you would find beneficial or even as a support in achieving your goal in wanting to make the changes that you would like to have, or to make in 2022 is a positive also,

Susan McElligott (16:20):
Can I add something there in favor of hypnosis? What we all have in common as hypno therapists is this ability to bypass the critical faculty or that critical part of the mind where other therapies would not maybe have that. I suppose that ability that we have as Hypnotherapists to maybe go in with a rapid induction or to, to bypass that, that you know, the critical mind, if you like that says, I can’t do it. So you don’t need to go through loads and loads of therapy to say, oh, I need to believe in myself that I can do this in, in relation to the the new year resolutions. So this is where we as Hypnotherapists, I think, shine in that ability that we have to kind of, even, even when the client comes to us, there’s that kind of half expectancy that the hypnotherapist is going to propel us forward in some way, by some magical powers.

Susan McElligott (17:31):
Now we don’t have the magical powers. Our job is to show the client that the magic, the magic lies within their own minds. It’s our job to guide them to accessing that magic within their minds. So there’s no big, long counseling sessions. You know, it very often if it’s giving up smoking, it can be done in one or two sessions. It’s, it’s, it’s very rapid type of work that we do. And that’s why I think it’s very beneficial. So as hypnotherapist I think we have the edge there definitely when it comes to new new year resolutions and the way we work.

Aidan Noone (18:13):
Sure. And you are working as a weight loss specialist. What would you contribute to this in terms of the work that you do and in terms of how people make weight loss goals around this time of the year?

Susan McElligott (18:31):
Year? Yeah, well, I do a program the hypno band weight loss program, as well as Ian who covers the Dublin area. I do the Cork side, the south. And again, going back to what I said there about bypassing that critical mind, you need the critical mind, it bypasses it and puts a lot of suggestions. You can do this, you know, you can eat less portions. So it takes a lot, a lot of the analytical part out of it. You don’t have to think too much about you just do it. It’s just like a direct suggestion. Some other types of weight in relation to weight loss there. It would be some people want to know the why, why am I being triggered for instance, to eat chocolate? Oh, maybe in my childhood, I, we didn’t get it. We didn’t have enough money, so now I’m just addicted to it because I can have it. So it’s about changing the mindset again to saying what Tracy was saying earlier. Yes, I can have it, but I choose not to

Aidan Noone (19:42):
Indeed. And in your experience Ian Epstein what’s, what’s your contribution to regarding the weight loss this time of the year?

Ian Epstein (19:51):
Well, I, I think just, it’s not only this time of the year, I think it’s any time of the year, to be honest, because weight loss is something that has become more apparent, especially with ourselves having gone through the COVID and going through COVID where people are working from home now and they are sitting there and they’re eating more drinking more, and they’re putting on more weight. And I look at the results, and this is what I give to people as well, is that Susan there we’re both licensed hypno band weight loss practitioners, which basically means that we do the bariatric surgery, but it’s done through the mind of the client and the results are really fantastic because it’s 0% literally of what a cost went to hospital to have it done. And there’s no side effects.

Ian Epstein (20:56):
So the beauty of it is, is that the client that comes to you is losing weight, not having any side effects. You always offer them a backup if they need it. But I tell them the results that I’ve had with other people, and they’re really astounded themselves. But I don’t think it’s just this time of year. I think it’s gonna be looked at throughout the whole year and especially now with the pandemic.

Aidan Noone (21:25):
Indeed. So what I’m getting from you, both of you, is that what the indeed, everybody, what the mind can conceive the mind will achieve. And in your experience Pamela as a hypno birthing expert in fact, how does hypno birthing, work, what does a hypno birthing therapist do? If you maybe just a few pointers on that to clarify it for us?

Pamela Walsh (21:56):
Yeah. what ais hypno birthing, I suppose, I offer 12 hour program. And within that, I would explain to a client how words are my toolbox and how important that they are in regards to somebody who is in labor and also teaching them to I suppose be aware of any negative influence around them because that can them down also, and to protect their mental state you know, because people love giving advice, but oftentimes what they do to pregnant women is they offload their own experience and it would have nothing to do with that person. And that leads them sometimes pregnant women coming away, petrified of what they may encounter experience in a labor ward. So I teach them about the their body, how their body would open up in labor. And I would explain to them about the fear tension pain cycle that Franklyn Reid an English obstetrician discovered back many, many years ago.

Pamela Walsh (23:16):
And that was, is when your body feels fear, it then creates tension, which amplifies your pain. And when you can keep the Oxytocin up, that wonderful love hormone up and your breathing techniques, it can facilitate your body to respond in a way that is much more productive to your labor. But if you have fear, tension and pain, well then the body tenses up, it delays the process of labor. It can be quite distressing and you increase your adrenaline. So that will be a lot of what I would explain to the clients as well as many, many more, teaching them self hypnosis, teaching them how that they can relax their mind and body, their breathing, their up breathing their down, breathing. So it covers quite a lot helping them to understand the cocktail of hormones that can facilitate their labour also.

Pamela Walsh (24:22):
But the biggest thing is, you know your mindset in any of these situations as well, and for any goals in, in the future or your resolutions is having the correct mindset because your body’s just a hunk of meat. And if your mind is isn’t on the same wavelength, well, then it won’t, you know, kind of do what you’re expecting it. But if you can see yourself, you know, practicing and building up that strength in your body every day and practicing hypno, birthing is no different. Because as I say, it’s like the most your arm, the more you do it, the better it gets. And that’s the same with everything.

Pamela Walsh (25:12):
And Susan is right. Our therapy is quite rapid and a lot of patients can see the results come quite quickly in what they want to achieve. And it is a great skill to have too, because you can have it for the rest of your life. So when you come and you learn these skills and have the support, they’re yours forever more.

Aidan Noone (25:37):
That’s excellent because that’s really sums up what we do as, as a hypnotherapist, we educate the client in many, many ways. And I suppose, principally we educate them in terms of the mechanisms of the mind and how to train your mind and how to access that trance state and trance state I suppose, is important. Would you agree, Helen?

Helen Ryle (26:01):
Yes, of course. In the trance state, we can imagine ourselves vividly making these changes. And if we sort of run a mental movie in our minds, when we’re in that relaxed, but focused sort of daydream like state of a trance, we can really experience it on a true mind body level.

Helen Ryle (26:23):
So in our minds, we may be seeing it, but if we imagine ourselves, for instance, if we want to do exercise improve our exercise, you know, we can see ourselves and feel our bodies running, feel this feeling of freedom, you know, feel the enjoyment we’ll say, and maybe smell the flowers, you know, listen to the leaves. We can really make a complete experience out of it. And that really taps into the mind body connection. And that is easily achievable. If we can allow ourselves to, to go into that comfortable trance state.. So, yeah, it’s very, very helpful for any type of goal or project or resolution we might want to achieve, any positive change really that we want to make.

Aidan Noone (27:06):
Excellent. And what type of creative work do you do Tracy, in terms of a visualization with your clients to get them to be that permanent non-smoker?

Teresa Bolger (27:19):
Well, I do a huge amount of things and it will be very personalized to the client as well, because I always say I can’t lead you towards something somebody else wants. So I will have prior to their session, talked to them about what it is that they are excited about, what are they looking forward to, you know, and that can look different for every person. There’s quite a lot of common themes, you know, but you’ll get little variations. So I’ll make sure that I’m talking to them about something that, you know, moves them and makes them feel excited. And just with regard to what Susan was saying and was echoed with the other people there as well that kind of fast tracking that can be possible with hypnotherapy is just, it’s gorgeous. You know, it took me years and years to piece it all together and get to a day where I finally stopped smoking and felt good about it.

Teresa Bolger (28:13):
Whereas in the clinic, I, I find it’s like, do you ever hear on rare occasion, you’ll meet somebody who says, oh, something just clicked. And I, I, I threw away my cigarettes and those people are few and far between, you know, most people will say, oh, I’m off them three years, but it’s still really hard, but the odd person will say, oh, something just clicked. And I always think in the clinic, it’s like, you get to facilitate that click, you get to fast track it. You can lead a client towards it. Only if they want to go there, but, you know, it’s, it’s really, yeah. It’s exciting stuff. So the, the things I would have the clients see for themselves, I would make sure it was something that really meant something to them. And like you said earlier, what the mind can perceive and can achieve. There you go now. Yeah. So yeah, that’s, that’s my approach with it.

Aidan Noone (29:07):
Okay, great. And to what extent would you agree with that Susan?

Susan McElligott (29:16):
I would say going back to the hypnosis and the trance that Helen was referring to earlier on and about the, what the mind perceives the mind achieves I think, you know, for the public to be aware that yes, we are hypnotherapists and we can facilitate that hypnotic trance, and to educate people, you know, it’s not just offloading, this is my problem, fix it. We teach people how to do self-hypnosis. And also what I like to do in my practice is I have a little bit of fun with it as well. I’d say whatever you do do not think of a pink elephant right now. <Laugh> and then I, wait, I pause and then you see the smile. Now I heard your chuckle there Aiden. So that was a verbal sound, auditory. Whereas I have a visual of a smirk or a smile in my office.

Susan McElligott (30:08):
They don’t say anything, but I thought, I bet you were thinking of a pink elephant right now, weren’t you? And they say, yeah. And I said, how fast did that happen? And they might say a nanosecond. I said, do you imagine, isn’t it amazing? Your mind is faster than Mr. Google. If you were to type in a word on your keyboard, how long would it take for the word to go in, type it up and then for Google to spit it back out again, you know, for an image to appear on your screen, whereas your mind is so powerful. So I teach my client to, to really embrace that magnificent, you know, power that they have in their own mind. So I said, if your mind can create this negative trans for you, wouldn’t it be great if we could use harness the same power, turn it around and create a positive, wouldn’t it be just great if we could do that?

Susan McElligott (31:00):
And what would your life be? What would it look like? So then I get the client to kind of, again, it’s like that railroading getting out of the cul-de-sac or that road. You always get lost down and go back on the main road and go back and have some kind of a map. And again, it’s a goal. It’s a vision to where, to where you do want to be. Rather we don’t, when we’re driving car, we don’t look in the rear view mirror all the time. We’re looking ahead through the big windscreen. That’s why the windscreen is so big. And the rear view mirror is so small. <Laugh>

Aidan Noone (31:29):
Good, good one. So that’s excellent. So as we begin to wind up this podcast let’s get a few pointers from each person. Ian, what would you say in terms of advice that you might give to somebody who is formulating goals or setting out on making new year’s resolutions?

Ian Epstein (31:52):
I would say to them, don’t just make them for January, but make it for the whole year. Okay. And the one other thing that I would like to say, Aidan, if it’s okay with you, is that we don’t just look after weight loss, we deal with stress. We deal with anxiety, depression. You know, there is nothing really that we can’t deal with, that the mind has caused the problem. And, you know, we’re here not only for the new year, we’re here all the year round to help people. And that’s what we like to do.

Aidan Noone (32:26):
Excellent. Thank you for that. Who’s next, go ahead.

Teresa Bolger (32:30):
I’ll pop in if you want. Yeah, sure. I’m always ready to talk. So in keeping with the festive season, I would advise anybody about to make a change for the new year, make a list, check it twice. <Laugh> boom, boom. But in all, in all seriousness lists are great. Write down what you want to achieve and have it in front of you. You know, here are all the wonderful reasons I want to lose weight, stop smoking, change how I do X, Y, or Z. And it’s just, it’s there in front of you. And it’s a starting point, and it’s also a bit of inspiration. Should you hit a rock in the road or you have a bit of a stumble pull out your list. I’ve got all these reasons to stay with what I’m doing, you know, so I like lists and I recommend, or if you’re about to make a change,

Aidan Noone (33:23):
Lovely. That’s one. So make a list. Okay. And yourself Pamela

Pamela Walsh (33:29):
Track your progress. A lot of times that if we have a bad day, sometimes people feel like, you know, throw the baby out with bath water, but it, if you track your progress and you see how far you’ve come, and then you check your list twice <laugh> as you pros know, that can all add to your confidence of how far you can come and how far you will go.

Aidan Noone (33:56):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> great. Thank you. And Helen.

Helen Ryle (33:59):
Yeah. Carrying on from what Tracy and Pamela have been saying, absolutely. Make the list, have the plan and, you know, oftentimes we make four steps forward and perhaps one step back. So when you make a step back, when you have a little sidetrack and things don’t go quite as planned, instead of, as you say, just throwing the baby out with the bath water, just write down what happened, how you were feeling, what could you do differently.

Helen Ryle (34:26):
So that if you have it written down, what you could have done differently, maybe you needed to say something to yourself. Maybe you needed to read a little affirmation somewhere, whatever it may be that could have got you out of that situation without making that slip. If you’ve written it down, then it’s there for you next time you happen to be in the same situation, because it can be very easy to be retriggered into old habits because we’ve done them so often. So to not expect everything to be a wonderful linear path to success because most of the time it isn’t, but if we just take one step back you know, and take it as a very small side step not as a complete failure, then we can just get back on the horse and, and go again, and keep going until we really do achieve lasting success.

Aidan Noone (35:14):
So it’s looking for the something that makes the difference. That is the difference, I suppose, perhaps. And finally to yourself Susan, what would you like to contribute, little small pointers as we finish this podcast?

Susan McElligott (35:30):
If it was like a jigsaw puzzle and putting it all, all the pieces together and tying up all the strands, all the loose ends everybody has contributed a little, little nugget, I think for people to take away. And it is like joining the dots. It is those little baby steps. It is keeping that positive focus, I suppose doing the list and checking it twice as Tracy said, and it’s putting everything together.

Susan McElligott (35:59):
I think it’s not just one thing and it’s not like one shoe fits every, you know, one size fits all. It’s about what works for one may not work for another because we’re all so unique. And as hypnotherapists, we offer a unique approach. That’s where we shine. We meet people where they’re at and whatever is, you know, their way of seeing things. We try to match that, we try to guide them with suggestion with hypnotic suggestions. So that’s, that’s my take on it.

Helen Ryle (36:32):
And what about you Aidan? Before we finish have you anything to add as a therapist yourself?

Aidan Noone (36:38):
Again, I concur completely what, everything that everybody has said here today. I think it’s important that indeed to make a list. Yeah. And to have that support structure around a goal, if you’re setting a goal, not just to make the goal. Okay, write it down, but who is there to help me? Who do I need to tell? Who can I be accountable to, you know, have an accountability partner as, as they say, you know, have that somebody there. To have somebody say, well, did you meet your goal today? Or next week, or when you arrive at next week, have you done that? So you’re able to be accountable to somebody. So they’ll hold you to task as it were.

Aidan Noone (37:21):
My thanks go to Helen Ryle chairperson of the European association of professional hypnotherapists, IanEpstein vice chairperson of EAPH, Pamela Walsh, Susan McElligott and Tracy Bolger and above all you for listening.